H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
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Here's the checklist I use...
Main Match Guns.
Main Match Ammo
Side Match GunsSide Match Ammo
Holsters, belts, ammo pouches, etc.
Costumes.
Hat
BootsGun Cart
Wild Bunch Guns and Ammo if needed.
Extra Main Match guns in case of a malfunction.
Gun Cleaning Supplies.Gunsmith Screwdrivers
Bottle of foam earplugs.
Range bag.
Sunscreen
Gun cases for transport.Small cooler for water is not a bad idea.
Something to put empty brass in. Separate container for each caliber/ gauge recommended.
At least one extra empty gun case in case you buy/win a gun!All of the above assumes that this is the match in your home state and that you will not be overnighting away from home. If this is going to be one you travel to, also bring along everything you would normally bring for a long road trip/vacation.
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I am growing interested in the various Marlin models that can be used our game, be they main match guns or side match guns.
To that end...
I know that there are basically the following types...
Top Eject.
Side Eject with a closed port
Side Eject with an open port
.22's..410's
Pistol caliber rifles.
Rifle caliber rifles.
I know there are the following model designations...
1881, 1888, 1892, 1893, 1894, 1895, 410, 39, 39A, 336. I know where some of these models fit into the above types, but not all of them. Wikipedia is not as detailed as it is for Winchester, so that's not much help. There may be other model numbers that I am unaware of.
Then it occurred to me that there must be Marlin shooters here on the Wire who know all of this stuff, so why not just ask and see if anyone can help?Here is what I know for certain...
1888 is a top eject pistol caliber gun. I know this cuz I have one.
1881 is a top eject rifle caliber.39 and 39A are .22's
Something that looks like the 39 is an earlier .22
There are closed port .410s, pistol and rifle caliber guns.
There are open port .410s and rifle caliber guns. I don't know if there are any open port guns in the pistol calibers.
I *think* I know what some of the others are, but since I am unsure, I don't wanna speculated, or leave anything out.
Can anyone help?
Related to this, when did Marlin start putting the cross bolt safety on it's guns? (Okay, maybe it wasn't really Marlin anymore, just like it wasn't really Winchester who did it to the 94, but you get the idea.) -
How do you unload through the loading gate? I've never heard of such a possibility?
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I have a love/hate relation to Cabela's There are a lot of things I like about it, and some things that really make me scratch my head. They also seem to not understand how a C&R works. Sometimes they'll take it, sometimes they don't, and it seems to vary from store to store. Some will take it if you come into the store with it, but won't ship to one. Some require the boss of the firearms department to be there to approve it. There was even one that wouldn't let me walk out with the gun, but they DID mail it to me. It's all very confusing.
But it's still a good store, overall. -
I joined about 17 years ago.
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Interestingly enough, Massachusetts has a waiting period. Unless you have a pistol permit. Then the waiting period is waved as you have already had a background check by the state. Or at least, it used to be that way. The laws here keep modifying and they are hard to keep track of.
Is USED to be...
FID, Firearms Identification allowed you to own, buy and transport rifles and shotguns.
LTC, License to Carry Firearms allowed you to do everything an FID did, plus own, buy, transport, and carry pistols on your person. You pretty much HAVE to carry concealed in this state, as open carrying could be considered, "brandishing a weapon."
That's more or less still it. For a while the modified the LTC to Class A and Class B. Class B was for not large capacity firearms,. Class A was for Large Capacity, and would be required to buy long guns that were large capacity. Eventually, Class B was done away with and everyone got Class A. Now it's back to just an LTC with no mention of class. (And the FID) There was also a "reason for issuance." This could be something like "target and hunting" or "All Lawful Purposes." That was changed recently to "Restrictions" which is usually NONE or whatever is listed. Basically, NONE has become the default based on recent Supreme Court rulings, and the state is afraid that if they tried to enforce various restrictions that they entire law would get thrown out, so they give no one a reason to argue. But, it is STILL up to the discretion of the local CLEO if you get one or not. And there are other problems here.
It's confusing... And everything is subject to change. My summation may be out of date. I just know that my permit says NONE for restrictions.
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All things considered, I run "trapdoor loads" in everything I have in .45-70. Yeah, my 86 is stronger, but I figure going with the lighter stuff, that works just fine in the stronger guns, is something that can't hurt. Plus, the lighter loads have less recoil! This is especially important in, say a Trapdoor carbine instead of a rifle or even a short barrel 86.
Lassiter has worked on 4 of my Lightnings, 3 medium frames, and one large frame. Two of the mediums and the large all had the same problem, an internal part that he describes as a "teeter totter" cracked and had to be repaired. He feels it is a design flaw. The 3rd medium doesn't extract properly after firing.
I suppose he's working on a 5th, he is converting a Taurus to .44 Special for me. Yeah, a Taurus. He recommended using one in .45 as the "donor" rifle. I wasn't gonna argue with the expert. I heard from others that he can make a Taurus work, and he has even won some stuff using one himself.
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21 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:
Okay, then, I seem to recall maybe you can only buy a clone if it can be proven to be in your state prior to some date years ago? Something like that?
Oh yeah, that's true. If it was registered in the state prior to 199something, I always forget, it can be resold. Still, that does mean a limited supply.
Until recently, you could take the gun apart and just import the "frame" and do it that way, reassembling the pieces yourself, and then registering it, but as part of the desire to ban, "ghost guns," frame transfers are now forbidden as well. -
Tom's Single Action Shop
675 Crawford Tom's Run Rd
New Lebanon, OH 45345
Phone: 937-687-1039That's him.
A great guy to go to to have your Lightnings worked on. And an even greater guy to just talk to from time to time. He has worked on several of my Lightnings, including my Large Frame one. Just an FYI, technically, it's not really a .45-70, it's a .45-85-285. This was a Colt proprietary cartridge that used a case with identical dimensions to the .45-70, but the lighter bullet had a much higher velocity. I can tell you from experience that if you use a 405 grain bullet, the OAL will be ever so slightly too long to fit through the loading gate. I switched to a 300 grain bullet which is a little shorter, and it fits just fine, and shoots great. (It's still .458" diameter) Also rifling was adjusted to work with lighter/faster bullets, so you may wanna keep this in mind. I stick to pressures that are deemed to be "Trapdoor safe" in this gun.
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25 minutes ago, El Chapo said:
Last time I bought a gun at Cabelas, they insisted that I had to leave the trigger lock on the gun until I left the store. I wasn't going to leave the gun in the car to bring them back their trigger lock, so I threw it away when I got home.
LOL! I have a small collection of trigger locks from guns I have purchased. Living in Massachusetts, I have held on to them only if I ever have to travel with so many guns that I don't have a hard case for them all. Those that wind up in an old fashioned soft gun case get a lock on them, just to avoid potential problems.
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1 hour ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:
(if those clones can be bought in your state? You did mention clone)
They can't
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10 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:
They used to talk about "the long and the short of it" on point!
Oh, I do that with my .44s already
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It is weird to want a Sheriff's model and Buntline Special in .32-20?
A couple of months ago, I actually saw a Sheriff's in this caliber on Gunbroker, but I passed on it because Colt Sheriff's are C&R only in .44 or .45 caliber. As such, this one was not, and therefore, it is not legal to import into Massachusetts. I think the only way I could get a .32-20 Sheriff's model would be to obtain an existing one in .44 or .45 that's kinda beat up, and take it to Colt and have it rebarreled and recylindered. Probably more trouble than it's worth, but it's the only way I could get one.
By the same token, I've never even seen a Buntline in .32-20 nor heard of one. Other than doing the rebarrel thing, I'd have to order a custom one with factory engraving, and that's just too expensive and takes to long.
So, why do I bring this up? Well, it's looking more like I'm gonna be shooting .32-20 more often instead of .45 Colt/.44-40/.44 Special to make my powder last longer. (Yeah, yeah... I'm a miser.) But while I do have 5 rifles in the caliber, I only have 2 pairs of pistols. Two SAA's and two Bisley SAA's. I know that my only option in this chambering is a Colt (or clone) but I do like to have some variation from time to time. The Buntline and Sheriff's were the only things I could think of. But getting them... Not easy! -
I did get hit square on my glasses once. No damage, but it was disconcerting!
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Generically, I get the "walking the purchaser out," thing, but only to an extent. At Cabela's, especially in a case like yours where you are open carrying, it does seem kinda silly.
But what does Walmart do? I've never actually bought a gun there. I know when I worked at K-Mart in the 80s (I miss that place!) that when I sold someone a gun, I did walk them to the exit and hand them the box on their way out, so that's why I "get" it, but beyond that, I am curious as to what Walmart does. -
1 hour ago, Eyesa Horg said:
Hour and a half of isn't that bad, make a day of it. Most LGSs here are an hour or more for me.
Well, yeah, it winds up being an all day affair. But if you can't buy anything...
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To all my fellow New England Pards...
If you didn't know, and I did not, Maine has instituted a 3 day waiting period on gun purchases. I went up the Kittery Trading Post today for Septemberfest, and found a great rifle, an Uberti 66 in .32-20, something I thought I'd never see, and would have bought it. It would have been free thanks to some gift cards I have.
But, before we started the paperwork, the clerk asked me if I knew about the waiting period. Apparently Maine recently enacted a 3 day one recently. I had no clue. To be honest, it take me about an hour and a half to get up to Kittery, which is why I don't go all that often. I guess I'll be going even less now.
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49 minutes ago, Bladesmith, SASS 113085 said:
One I didn’t see on your list, a spanish company, AYA - Aguirre y Aranzábal. I haven’t utilized their service to be able speak to the quality of the letter, but it is available. The instructions they provided are attached. I wasn’t sure if wiring money to a European account made me feel like James Bond or like I was getting scammed, but that’s a secondary matter.
Thanks. This is kinda what I was hoping people would do, share info about other gun companies.
Oh, I recently learned the HK does not do letters, but they will tell you date of manufacture if you ask. Contact info is on their website.-
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Well, I got the info from the FOIA request for my M1D. (That was fast!) The "bad" news is that the information is limited. The good news is that it is somewhat interesting, and there was NO CHARGE, so it is worth doing.
Here's a pic of what they sent me.
There was also a generic explanation of the data samples page. The interesting thing about the sample page is that it listed info for a 1911. Take it with a grain of salt, but for the low cost of Zero, I think it's worth getting the data.
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Here is another update on the FOIA request. I got an e-mail this morning from the people who actually process the FOIA requests for firearms. In the e-mail, there was this notation...
Although we will research all weapons, it is unlikely we will find any records on the following weapons: Rifles Model 1903s/03-A3, 1917s, M1898, Pistol Models M9, Shotguns, and any Models in the Army inventory prior to 1975.So that tells us what's worth looking for.
I have sent in a request for one of M1s that I purchased in the last few years. Once I get it back, I'll send in requests for anything else I've purchased from the CMP in the last few years, but probably won't bother with older surplus guns as they are either on the list for not having records, and/or they were clearly sold as surplus long before 1975.
They also sent this form to use for future requests, which I share with you all now.
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43 minutes ago, Hoss said:
I’ve never even seen a Spencer at a match.
I've used a Spencer. Genuine GI. I like to take it out once a year or so and shoot a match with it. Most recently, I used it for one stage at the MA/CT/RI Tristate for one stage. Shot a clean match!
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23 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:
So what’s the consensus? Are they in a different category? I’m not doing the side match but it’s an interesting question.
Oh, right!
They would be in the same category. 73, 92, Marlin, 66, Henry, Lightning, even the Spencer, are all "Main Match" rifles and would be in the same category.
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They destroyed a beautiful car and a Malibu. Shame on them. And I don't think either car had an engine in it.
Very fake news.
From the very clean pics, that Bel Aire was worth 2x the Malibu. At least. -
I guess it all comes down to this...
Is the Lightning a good speed rifle side match gun? Depends on the shooter.
Is it in general, a good main match rifle? There are those who will say yes, there are those who will say no. All a matter of preference.-
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Marlin Models.
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So far the only Marlin I have is an 1888 in that caliber. I gave decided that if I get any other models in pistol calibers, they will be in that caliber.