H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
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Posts posted by H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
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On 1/9/2017 at 1:42 PM, Dantankerous said:
I'm looking forward to seeing the Winchester '66 in a "working/shooting" model, not simply an engraved show gun. Hopefully the caliber selection will be diverse and usable.
For what it's worth the "engraved show gun" model does work and you can shoot it.
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For the record, mine is also an AWA. In .45 Colt. Runs flawlessly
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Thanks everyone. This was helpful
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Can anyone point me to a video of someone shooting a Colt Lighting (or reproduction thereof) rifle very fast?
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H.K.
I am talking about a photo like this, which clearly shows how much bigger and stronger the 'old model' Vaquero cylinder is tjam tje Iberto Cattleman on the left and the 2nd Gen Colt on the right. All three cylinders are chambered for 45 Colt. I suspect the difference between you Colt 44 Special cylinder and the new Uberti 44 Mag cylinder may not be quite so obvious, but this is the type of photo I am talking about.
Sorry it's taken me so long to get around to posting this, but here goes...
The Cylinder on the left is the Uberti .44 Magnum. The right is a Colt .44 Special.
As you can clearly see, the Magnum cylinder is bigger than the special, and the walls around the chambers are noticeably thicker.
So I guess this finally answers Driftwood's question, yes, the Magnum is indeed heftier than the Colts.
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If memory serves, the bullet below the case mouth does not apply to Nagants. I can't quote or post a link, but the topic was discussed a few months ago, and I think the general consensus was the bullet rule did not apply to the Nagant cartridges. Hopefully someone with a better memory will come along and clear it up.
You are correct.
Many years ago, I asked that question here on the wire. I admitted that I was confused. Basically I asked how could the revolver be legal and the ammo that it shoots be not allowed.
PWB very quickly posted that it was understood that Nagant Ammo shot in Nagant revolvers was an exception to this rule.
All of that being said, I use the Lee dies that convert .32-20 brass to a straight wall case that properly fits in the Nagant chambers. It does NOT extend out beyond the front of the cylinder the way original ammo does. I load it with a .312" Wadcutter over a charge of Trailboss. The Wadcutter just barely extends beyond the the end of the case, and I have found it be very accurate and pleasant to shoot. I do plan to someday get some real Nagant Ammo, and maybe even the dies to reload it, especially if the law that deregulates silencers goes through, but I am in no hurry to do so..
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Springfield Rifle, carbine, 1895, or single shot? Just asking.
Don't forget the "short rifle" version of the Springfield.
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I have a pair of Nagants I like to use once a year or so.
Remove that one part, and the DA's are indistinguisable from the SA's
THat's what I did. No problem with doing it.
Have fun.
Question: Do you use "real" Nagant ammo, or the straightened out .32-20 stuff? I use the latter. Much easier to work with
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Don't bother me...
I'm ignoring this post...
:D Thanks, Uriah!
Yer welcome
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To answer a few questions, I have a friend who lives in Winnipeg, Manitoba. He has gone with me to some SASS matches when he visits me in the states. I discovered today that there is a SASS club in Winnipeg, and my friend has an open invitation to me to come and visit him. The idea of also being able to shoot with him again, as he really enjoyed it, is a plus (but not a requirement) but he does not own any guns.
So, I am doing a little quiet research to find out what is permissible/easiest way to do it
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There is a chance to go to Canada this summer to a town that actually has a SASS club in it. I have done some very preliminary research on how to legally take guns up North. It looks like a lot of work, but can be done.
In the course of my research, I saw something that said that antique firearms are not subject to most of these regulations.
Then I saw that in Canada, "antiques" are one year older than they are in the US. No problem, I've got enough guns that qualify.
But then I got a little confused. In a nutshell it *looks* to me that even if a gun is old enough to be an antique, if it can fire cartridge ammo it is not one. In other words a 1890 vintage Winchester 87 would not be antique because it can chamber and fire 12 gauge shotshells. A Colt SAA or Winchester 73 from the same year is also not an antique because it is chambered for .44-40. (These and other calibers were actually listed as disqualifying old firearms on the webpage I saw)
The thing seemed pretty clear to me. But can any Canadian pards confirm this for me? Antique or modern, I would of course do whatever is legally required. I just wanna make sure I understand the rules and don't get jammed up over the differences in what defines an antique and how it is or is not regulated.
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Well, I figured there would be some silly responses. But it really was just a test that served no purpose except to me.
If people wish to use it to be silly, hey, I got not problem with that.
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But SLIM,
what category would there be for someone shooting an unaltered Colt buntline in .45 in their left hand, and a Ruger 'SASS' Vaquero in the right hand?
..........Widder
You mean like when once a year I take out my 12" Buntline and my 3" Sheriff's Model, both nickeled in .44 Special?
Sheriff Buntline to the rescue!
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What say you H.K? I know you have a few Colts. Is your 44 Mag heftier than a standard SAA?
Well, that's a question that calls for some photographs.
Let's start by taking a look at a First Generation made in 1881 that started life as a .44-40 that has been redone as a .32-20
Up next is a Second Generation .45 made in 1971
Next is a Third Generation .44 Special. Not sure exactly when it was made.
Sorry about the Buntline nature of this one, but it's the only "long barreled" 3rd Gen I have.
And finally, here's the Uberti .44 Magnum.
Comparing the four revolvers, they feel pretty much the same in the hand, and at a glance to they don't look all that different to me. The one that is most similar to the Uberti is the .45, and they feel to weigh about the same.
But let's take a closer look at some of the details.
Upper Left is the 1st Gen, Upper right the 2nd, lower left is the 3rd and lower right is the Uberti.
The topstrap of the First is noticeably thinner than the 2nd and 3rd, while Uberti is clearly thicker than the Colts. And that's not all.
The cylinder on the left is the .44 Special from the 3rd Generation Buntline.
The one on the right is from the .44 Magnum Uberti.
It is very easy to see how the Magnum cylinder is just a little bit "beefier" than the Colt.
And then there is this...
As you can see the Uberti Magnum cylinder is just a little bit longer than the Colt one. A quick check confirmed for me that 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Colts all have the same length cylinder, regardless of caliber. I also checked a couple of others at random and made it a point to check my ASM and my other Uberti that are both in .45, and they have the same length cylinder as the Colts. I am gonna assume that Uberti made this cylinder longer so that it would not accidentally dropped into a gun without the thicker frame.
So to answer Driftwood's original question, yes, the Magnum does seem to be slightly heftier than a standard SAA.
Oh, and according the box it's an S.A. Buckhorn revolver. Imported by American Arms and made by Uberti.
Okay, that's it. Comments?
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At Shot Show, Cimarron was showing their new "Bad Boy" with flat top frame, octagon barrel, target sights, and Army grip from Uberti.
You know, if that had a Navy grip and regular sights, it'd be a very close approximation of the "Big Iron" in the Marty Robbins song, and I would want to buy one.
But I live in Massachusetts.
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Used at the gunshow in Marlboro today.
End table near the entrance.
They've got another one for $365, but it has New Frontier style sights, which is why I don't have two of them.
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Well, today I made a great fine, a Uberti SAA clone with a 7.5" barrel for $390. And it was in .44 Magnum! Always wanted an SAA type pistol in this caliber, and it was amazing to find one here in Massachusetts.
I doubt very much that I'll ever fire "full power" loads in it even though I know it would be perfectly safe to do so.
Questions:
1. Anybody here have one of these things?
2. Anybody who has one ever fire full power loads in it, and if so what's the recoil like?
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I need help with the reloading dies of the 45-70
What are the best dies
I am using the Redding 80209
with the Lee factor crimp
the bullet setter is not working on 500gr projectiles
Please let me know what dies to get?
Lee
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I looked it up. The NFA '34 actually does call them "Silencers." What is all this "Suppressor" terminology?
That said, their is one SASS legal pistol that can use a silencer. The Nagant. I got 2 of 'em....
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If your side match is speed based, it'll be too slow.
If your side match in accuracy based, it'll be just fine.
I've been to a few big matches that have both. I tend to use something DA in the speed ones, but my Merwin & Hulbert Spur trigger .38 in the accuracy ones.
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Trail Boss.
I started out with 4198, but while the "Trapdoor safe" loads were fine in my 1884 Trapdoor RIFLE, were real shoulder thumpers in my 1873 Trapdoor Carbine and 86 Winchester with a 20" barrel.
Switched to Trailboss and now it is a very pleasant round to shoot in all those guns.
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No mention of what gun laws will be changed
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I believe that a .56-.50 is a .50 caliber round. The Spencer cartridges are the diameter at the base and the moth diameter. The .56 Spencer was the first Spencer cartridge amd was renamed .56-.56 when the rifle started being offered in other chamberings.
How about a .56-.50 revolver with a cylinder that spins around a 12 gage barrel, like a LeMat? Talk about a weapon of mass destruction!
Yes, the 56-50 Spencer is a .50 caliber cartridge. Uses .512" bullets. (Just like the .50 Browning, but not the same ones!)
The 56-56, 56-50 and 56-40something all used the same cartridge case. The smaller bullets just had more crimp in them. At least, that's how they are described in the articles I have read.
Pedersoli lightning
in SASS Wire F.A.Q.
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Plus one on the careful cleaning. While my Lighting is an AWA, (.45 Colt) and therefore probably different on the insides, I will say that keeping it clean keeps it working. The gun has never worked incorrectly for me with one annoying exception. Last time I used it, there were a couple of times when I chambered a new round, pulled the trigger, and it didn't go bang, and I just automatically worked the action, ejecting the live round to chamber a new one. Lost a few rounds that time.
So, when I got it home, I gave the bolt/firing pin a VERY careful cleaning with Gun Scrubber spray. Cleaned out a lotta gunk. But it has worked just fine ever since.
Run a Lightning? Keep it clean!