H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
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They are really not all that different from a Spencer. They only hold 7 rounds, and have to have the last 3 loaded and are perfectly legal.
In fact, I'd think that a 92 would be much easier to with the final loads than a Spencer would be. Sure, I don't see a flood of them entering the game, but if someone happens to own one and wants to use one in spite of the way it handicaps them, I've never understood what the problem is.
Heck, I did once see someone with a 24" 73 with a button mag who had to load 3 or 4 singles. It was fun to watch. He was very good at holding the rounds and stuffing them in the loading gate. He said it was fun.
Thinking about it,. with a 92, it would be very easy to go "over the top" one at a time. -
Given the way things are going, is it time to revisit the concept, and allow folks who happen to own vintage Winchesters and Marlins with 14 and 15 inch barrels to use them as main match rifles if they want to? Probably no decision should be made until the dust settles with all the lawsuits and rulings and things.
In fact, while the vintage guns have been removed from NFA '34 rules for a few years now, if all the legal restrictions go away, should it even be limited to vintage ones? And if the restrictions fall and new ones can be made, what will that do to the value of the old ones?
For the record: No skin in the game. Don't own such a rifle, and am unlikely to, considering the cost to purchase one at the moment.
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8 hours ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:
I suffer from congested safe disease complicated by compulsive reloading component hording tendencies.
I think we ALL suffer from these two.
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7 minutes ago, Jimmy Reb, SASS #54804 said:
And the 45-70 bug.
That is an interesting one. It can manifest itself in many different and strange ways. It starts out innocently enough...
But then, when you realize that the Trapdoor 84 rifle get's real heavy, real fast, you get one of these...
And one of these.
But with the 73 Carbine and the short barreled 86, you discover the need for a load that doesn't thump your shoulder.
Easy enough to do, and then the symptoms symptoms fade.
Unless you've been bitten by the Lightning Bug. Then you gotta get one of these...
At this point, if you also suffer from Mare's Leg fever, you develop a desire to have a Mare's Leg in .45-70. Sounds ridiculous, right?
Well...
Then, not to long after that, you find one of these...
Well, now your .45-70 bug has become a full blown affliction. Among other things, at this point, you start wondering about a low power version to use in single shot rifles, and you develop a whole new cartridge...
On the right is a .45-70. On the left is a .45-45. That's a .45-70 case trimmed back to the same length as a .45 Colt. Winds up being a round that is basically a heavy .45 Colt, but with pressures FAR below even the most mild of .45-70s. Makes for a great plinking round.
And then you discover that it actually WORKS in the 86s. Well, that opens up a whole mess of possibilities.
Like one of these....
Yeah.... It's big, it's heavy, it's a .45-70, and with the .45-45's, it's got less recoil than a .22!
By now you decide you need to get even more .45-70s. I find myself hankering for both an old and new model Marlin 95, to say nothing of a Marlin 1881. I am sure there are plenty of other repeating and single shot rifles in .45-70 that could be had. And I really wanna find out if the .45-45's will work in the Marlins.
But, this is by no means a rational affliction...
See what I mean? I don't know if I'll ever fire real .45-70's in it, but .45-45's, sure!
Oh the pain.... The pain....
And until it was mentioned, I didn't even realize I suffered from this one!
Oh the pain of it all!-
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2 hours ago, John Kloehr said:
Just FYI, Saturday, September 19 is Talk Like A Pirate Day.
Now that's interesting,
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Lock phasers on target.
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The Age of Piracy and the Cowboy Era don't really overlap. But, when it comes to the movies, people who like classic Westerns tend to like old timey Pirate Movies. In many ways, the movies are often very similar in tone and action.
So I got to thinking. (Run for the hills!) It might be fun to so a Pirate Cowboy Shoot. No special guns are needed, nor is anything other than a 10-10-4 scenario. Shooters would be encouraged to add something "Piratey" to their costume, but not required. Whatever the something is up to the mind of the shooter.
Where the Pirate Factor comes in, and along with it the fun, is in the stage writing. All the stage descriptions should be written in "Pirate Speak." Like, "Yar, on this stage, ye'll be shooting a the scurvy scalawags that want to steal our treasure. At the beep, engage in nasty rifle targets in a sweep. Then be using your pistols to shoot the pistol targets in a sweep. Then, take up yer blunderbuss (Shotguns will be referred to as a blunderbuss for this shoot, eventhough they aren't) and knock down them sailors that want to be boarding our ship."
Shooter ready lines would be things like, "YAR!" or "Dead Men Tell No Tales" or "Avast ye varmint!" or "Raise the Skull and Crossbones Lads!" and so on and so forth.
Just some silliness that might be fun. Maybe if a club wants to go all out, special props can be incorporated. Someone all decked out like Long John Silver in a cowboy hat might be fun too.
Maybe add a cutlass to slash at something.
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35 minutes ago, SnakeM said:
I contacted pedersoli and specifically asked if the .357 will run standard 38 special. The answer was yes!
But will it run .38 Long Colt? 🤪
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Calling these people "Fudd" is an insult to moronic cartoon characters everywhere!
We need a better term for them, not one that insults a beloved animated character from Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies.
How about...
Poor little Nimrods?-
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44 minutes ago, watab kid said:
we look at it wrong - not a disease , just a bad habit of finding things we like that also fit an era ....sorta .........and not being able to say no to our desires
Perhaps so.
But it's more fun to call them a sickness and make up funny names for the ailments.
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2 hours ago, Roger Rapid said:
Lastly, you mentioned .44Magnum. I think you know that Pedersoli also just announced a “Jackal" hunting rifle. This is basically the same action as the Silver Spur with the action bedded in a nicely-sculptured hunting foregrip and main stock. The big difference is that it is chambered in .44Magnum. I’m afraid these old El Rey shoulders wouldn’t like it very much…
Yeah, I don't care for the look of the Jackal. It just seems wrong to me somehow. With regards to .44 Magnum itself, I load it it with a mid range loading of Trailboss. Still less oomph than a factory .44 Special. I have a couple of pistols, and two other rifles in the caliber, so, wanting a rifle to chamber it is something I desire. I figured Pedersoli would have come out with a Silver Spur in the caliber, since they'd already figured out how to do it with the action. Alas, I was wrong.
With regards to your comments in the .357, as I was typing this, I thought of my Colt in .32-20. There's one that shoot a round that is in some ways dimensionally similar to the .357 or .38 Special. Not sure what that would mean for developmental reference, but mine does work well.
Sooner or later, I will get a Pedersoli. I just have to decide what caliber I want it in. My "Lightning wish list" if such a thing makes any sense, is as follows.
These are all things I don't have.
A USFA.
A Pedersoli.
An AWA in .38 Special. I almost got one of their fancy looking ones with the silver colored engraved receiver, but lost out on at the last minute. I don't necessary need to have that specific version, but I guess it would be nice.
A .44 Magnum.
Lassiter is building me a Taurus in .44 Special, so that'll add a caliber I want, and a make I don't have. I got the Taurus at his suggestion. The feeling was, he'd have to do just as much work no matter what the doner was, so may as well get the one that cost the least amount of money on the used market.
I am not really interested in the Uberti/Beretta model. I've only ever seen one, and it was very clunky from what I recall.
I am not set up for .38-40, I don't have any guns in the caliber. Theoretically, maybe someday but at the moment, it's not something that is under consideration. -
Interesting info on the Silver Spur.
Among other things, it is at the moment, only available in .45 Colt. Well, that's a good caliber, generically speaking. My AWA is a .45, and it's my favorite main match rifle. It was also my first Lightning, and remains my favorite one of the bunch.
It was mentioned that it would not cycle .45 Schofields. This caught me by surprise. My AWA runs them no problem, and I even shot a clean match with them once. (I was shooting Schofield revolvers, one of them chambered for the historical round, so that made things easier.) I've never tried to run C45S in it because, well, I don't have any, but I am curious as it if they would work.
I wonder if they won't work because the action is more like a Large Frame original than a medium frame. My Large Frame Lighting in .45-70 will run .45-60 made from cut down .45-70 brass, but it won't work with .45-45. The difference between the Colt and Schofield rounds is more like the difference between 70 and 45 than 70 and 60.A desire to have one in .357 Magnum was made. I can't speak to this caliber in a Lightning. Based on how the Schofields will work in an AWA, but not in a Pedersoli makes me think that shorter rounds like .38 Special or Long Colt would not work in a Pedersoli .357, but they might work in an AWA. Can't find one who has one to let me know though! I wanna be able to run Long Colts in a Lighting to go with some pistols I have in the caliber.
.44-40 was also made mention of. This is an EXCELLENT cartridge for the Lightning. It does not have the blowback issues that the .45 does, which would be even more important if you are deciding to shoot black powder in it. But, since I already have an AWA and Colt in the caliber, it would be low on my priority list.
For me, my caliber of choice would be a .44 Magnum. I'd enjoy having a Lightning so chambered for various reasons. But I'd want it to be in the standard/historical configuration. Their modernized one in the caliber is of little to no interest to me.
Dang it... The Lightning Bug is demanding attention again!
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Your typical smokeless trap/target load is usually labeled 2-3/4 dram equivalent. Going 3-1/4 seems like it is probably WAY more than it needs to be.
When I first started experimenting with black powder shotshells, I found even 2-3/4 drams of BP to be a bit hard on the shoulder than my Dad's smokeless trap loads were. So, I dropped down to 2 drams. Thought those were a little light. Settled on 2.5. Seems to work well for me.
Don't do a LOT of BP shotshell shooting though.-
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16 hours ago, watab kid said:
i suspect a lot of us have guns we bought just because we shoot SASS even tho we dont shoot them for SASS i do
Peripheralitis? Yeah, this is a very real problem. Guns that are of the Cowboy Era, but that really don't have a place in our game, but we buy them anyway cuz they "fit" the feel of what we do. I clearly suffer from this one.
Some obvious symptons:
Lotsa a other things that qualify, some which I own, and many of which I don't.
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2 hours ago, Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L said:
Received yesterday, 8/13/26. I am not sure when I will be able to test fire. I have "test cycled" and it worked fine.
Silver Spur and USFA Lightning
Also, any suggestions on where I might purchase a butt cover for the Silver Spur? All of my go-to's have gone out of business.
What's the caliber on the Silver Spur.
Interesting how those whatever you call thems swing out of the frame like Large Frame Colt. -
3 minutes ago, Griff said:
Winchester 94-itis... or it might be .30-30-osis. As I don't have any desire for a 94 in any other chambering. With 24 in various configurations and 6 more receivers ready for lumber and assembly, I've got it fairly well controlled. Although, I am lacking a take-down...
Well, if you only have them in .30-30s, then I'd say it's .30-30-osis.
I, it seems, have a mild case of 94-itis.1 Pre-83 in .30-30. (Technically a Sears Ted Williams Model 100)
1 Pre-83 in .44 Magnum. (It gets an undeserved bum wrap, in my opinion. I was actually faster with it than a Rossi 92 in the same caliber.)
1 Pre-63 in 32 Winchester Special.2 9422's (Do they count? One in .22RF and one in .22 WRFM.)
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31 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:
SNUBBIE SYNDROME = Any pistol barrel longer than Three-n-Three Quarter is a waist of steel. Any rifle barrel longer than Sixteen-n-Half inches is waisting steel and as for shotguns, well shotguns over Eighteen Inches, well, 'nought said.
Hmmm....
I guess I have a mild case of this one. No rifles, and the Parker is like 18-3/4"
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Would Schofield-ily-osis be a sub strain of Smith & Wessonis? Or is even that a limited version of the much broader Top Breakitis? I may suffer from this affliction as well. Oh this is interesting. We may have to come up with a glossary of these afflictions and petition SASS to recognize them as official problems that arise from playing our game.
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On 8/8/2026 at 2:37 PM, Ol Salty Sailor said:
(936 South Shooting Range Road Hurricane, Utah 84737)
Ah, missed that. Sorry, Salty. It oughta be on the website in an obvious way though.
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Where does this take place? As near as I can tell, somewhere in Utah. But I don't see the town listed, or the address of the venue.
Sounds like a fun one!
Silly question: The phrase lever action rifle is used a lot. But there is no mention of pump actions. Does that mean I can't use my Lightnings? -
4 minutes ago, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said:
Add Obsessive, Compulsive Brass Hoarding Disorder where a reloader saves every reloadable metallic case (or shotgun shell) that he can obtain, even beyond a lifetime supply. A longtime trap shooter passed recently, and his garage was entirely full of once-fired Remington hulls. A Trap Club president distributed them to anyone interested to help a widow gain use of her garage. I have some that will be raffle items at our upcoming state SASS match.
My Dad was a trap shooter.
I am still reloading his hulls 20 years after he passed, and some of them were over 30 years old when he died.-
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I can't speak to Rugers, but apparently, once upon a time, converting Colts from one caliber to another was rather common. I have two .44-40s that have become .32-20s for example. In both cases, the barrel and cylinder have been replaced by persons unknown in the mists of history. More interesting is a .32-20 that has become a .22 Hornet via a barrel swap and lined cylinders.
I also have a .38 S&W Bisley they may or may not have been converted from a .44. If this is a conversion, it's a barrel/cylinder swap, not a bore lining.
I'd say doing the swap is much easier and FAR less expensive that doing a physical change to the existing ones. (Don't ask me how I know.) But even easier would be just getting new pistols in the desired caliber. You can either trade in the old ones to defray some of the cost, or just add the 45's to your collection. That's what I'd do.-
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Without going into too many details; comments made by, well, me, (and a few others) have made me realize that there are quite a few CAS related illnesses out there. And I think it is fair to say that I suffer from at least 4 of them.
1. The Lightning Bug.
2. Mare's Leg Fever.
3. 97 Flu.
4. .32-20 syndrome.
These ailments are more than just having multiple guns of a specific type. It is a desire to have guns of the type in as many different ways as possible.
I mean, I have more real Colt SAA's in my collection (To say nothing of copies) than any other type of gun, but I don't consider that to be an affliction they way the 4 above problems are. With the Lightning Bug, it has manifested itself in a desire to have Lightnings in several different calibers, as well as unusual variants, such as the Costa Rican army model with a bayonet lug. The need to have examples of the Small, Medium and Large Frame version also came into play. Other symptoms that have not yet manifested in me but have in others is a desire to have ones made by as many different makers as possible. That said, I am starting to hanker for a USFA one, and perhaps a Pedersoli.
Mare's Leg Fever has hit me hard to have as many different Mare's Leg type pistols (loosely defined as a pistol version of lever or pump action rifle) as possible. So far, I have ranged from .22RF to .45-70 for calibers, based on several different gun models.
97 Flu has afflicted me with a desire to have variations on the 97 theme. Things like barrel length, takedown vs. solid, trench gun, Trap model, 12 vs 16 gauge, and the 93 sub strain can occur with differing degrees of severity. For the most part, it has been treated with real Winchesters, but I do have a couple of Norincos in specific configurations as well. This has nothing to do with having spares for reliability issues, but that may also be a symptom, as many on the wire have reported it.
.32-20 syndrome is an irrational desire to have guns chambered for, well, 32-20. Be they different makes/models of lever or pump action rifles, single shot rifles, various single and even double action revolvers. There is just something about the caliber that, when you encounter a random gun chambered for it, makes you wanna add it to the collection. There is no rhyme or reason to it, it just happens.
There is no known cure for any of these ailments. You can only treat the symptoms by obtaining more guns. That may calm them for a while, but sooner or later, they will remanifest, requiring more treatment.
I am sure there are other sicknesses as well. I am starting to feel like I might have some sort of Marlin related malady that makes me want to have as many different models of marlin lever guns as possible. Which may also indicate that my desire to have at least one of every classic model Winchester was an disease as well, but that one seems to have gone into remission as I have have not had an itch that only a new to me Winchester can scratch for a long time.Heck, there may even be some similar non CAS gun related ailments, but let's not go there.
I am not sure what this all means.
Except maybe for this....
I'm a very sick man!-
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2 hours ago, Cayuse Jack, SASS #19407 said:
The IWI Timberwolf was a modern pump gun made in the 1980’s in 357 and 44 mag.
It was not and is not SASS legal.
It didn’t last very long, not enough interest.My brother wanted one of those in the worst way. He wasn't a Cowboy shooter, but he loved pump guns, and guns in .357 magnum. I searched for one for a long time and always came up dry. Never did find him one before he died. But he did like the Rossi 92 I got him in the caliber as an alternative. (Only ever saw a Lightning in the caliber once. It was at EoT the year I went, and AWA that had been tuned by Lassiter. I called my brother and asked him if he wanted it. He said no. Kinda wish I'd bought it anyway.)
L..o...n...g... Barrel Rifles
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In general, most of us use rifles with barrels from 20 to 24 inches in length. I think the shorter is more popular for various reasons. Some folks also like barrels shorter than 20 inches, getting as close to the 16 in minimum that the law will allow.
Some even like to at least collect the even as short as 14" barrels that Winchester and Marlin had available as special order.
But let that all go.
I was puttering around in Gunbroker, and I came across couple of Winchesters with 28" barrels, and a couple of Lightnings with 26" barrels. Both are well over the "typical" long length of 24" that you are most likely to encounter. That got me to pondering long barrel rifles. After all, I prefer a 30" tube on my shotgun, so why not a long barrel on my rifle.
I double checked my collection, and both of my Colt Lightnings are indeed 26" long, while my AWA's are 24" My Winchester 73 and my Henry have 24" barrels, as do 2 of my 66s. Everything else I have has a 20" barrel. So my barrel lengths are all over the map, and I have not really developed a preference for a specific length.
But as I was looking at the pics of those 28" Winchesters, I found myself wishing that the timing was better so I could grab one of them. The thought of using it with my long barrel shotgun, and may my Buntlines just felt like a fun idea somehow.
Now with all of that being said, I mentioned above how folks seem to prefer shorter rifle barrels, wanting to go as short as they can. Nothing wrong with that. I am wondering though, are there any folks here with a penchant for longer than normal rifle barrels?
It is something I was pondering.