H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
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Nice looking gun. Fluid steel? I'd shoot smokeless in it. Just be sure to either use shorter shells, or lengthen the chamber/forcing cone.
This is part of why I shoot 2.5" Magtechs. Most my my SASS type shotguns are old enough to have 2-5/8" chambers. Or even as short as 2-1/2"
Yes, you can trim things like AAs to the shorter length an add an overshot card to keep the shot in. But the all brass stuff just looks cool.
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I shoot smokeless in it. Seems to be a very strong gun. -
14 minutes ago, Flanigan Flats said:
I don’t think that over ruled state law??
Mass. will find away to mess it up for you.
Oddly, while silencers and specifically SAWED OFF shotguns are specifically illegal in the Commonwealth, state law is surprisingly silent short barrelled shotguns and SBRs of all kinds. So, I don't have a problem there.
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In a ruling yesterday the ATF basically said there are no more restrictions on owning, transferring or MAKING short barreled rifles. They also said there is no need to register them. Essentially, SBR regulations are GONE. This is a good thing. Sort of. Taking them over state lines remains regulated for some bizarre reason that I don't understand.
All of this assumes that I understood what was said properly.
From our perspective, this could have interesting connotations. First, any lingering confusion about vintage short barrel Winchesters and Marlins is done away with. Second, if for some reason you want a 14" 92, you don't have to hunt for an uber expensive one one, you can just make your own. Third, you can even make your own Mare's Leg if you want.
Of course the crossing state lines retention does make things complicated. State rules against SBRs, if any, still exist. As I understand it, ATF will still allow you to register an SBR if you want to to provide compliance with States that say you must comply with NFA 34 rules for them. They will also give asked for permission to cross state lines, even if it's not registered. Overall, this is a positive development, even if there are parts I find baffling.
What, if anything, SASS will do about this, such as doing away with the 16" barrel minimum, remains to be seen. I don't think they'll do anything, but it would be nice if they did.
In any event, I think this could be an interesting development for us. Even if it doesn't affect our game, it may affect the interests of many of us from a collector/shooter standpoint.
But I think I will be shortening the barrel on my .45-70 Mare's Leg from 16 to 14 inches now.
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Well, I don't have progressives. I sampled a set once and I did not care for them.
But I have been wearing trifocals with a hard line for over 20 years, and I have no trouble with them with shooting.-
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15 minutes ago, Alpo said:
I like 32/20 rifles. I have three.
Well, if we wanna go that way....
In order of acquisition, I have the following rifles in .32-20.
Winchester 73, 24" OctagonWinchester 92, 20" Round
Colt Lightning, 26" Octagon
Marlin 1888, 20" Round. (Letters as a 24")
Uberti 66, 20" Round
Marlin 1894, 24" Round
That's just about everything anyone ever made, except for a Whitney Kennedy and the Marlin 27. (Limiting to SASS Legal)
For pistols...
Colt 7.5" Nickel 1st Gen antique
Colt 5.5" Blue 3rd Generation
Colt Bisley 4.75" Blue 1st Generation
Colt Bisley 4.75" Nickel 1st Generation
Cimarron Lightning with dual .32 H&R Magnum/.32-20 cylinders. 3.5" Blue
Strange that I don't have a 2nd gen Colt, or an SAA with the 4.75" barrel.
Getting back to the Mare's Leg question, I would not cut any of the rifles I already own. Generically, I'd go with a reproduction something. Preferably a well used one and not a new one in pristine condition. Partly to save costs, and partly because I am hesitant to modify something in great shape. Which is why I am reluctant to use a Browning. But for the price...
Well, we'll see. Time will tell what, if anything, comes of this desire.
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2 hours ago, Alpo said:
That would be a smoking deal. I paid $400 for mine in -- damn, that was sometime back in the late 90s.
It would be a shame to cut down a stock as pretty as that one though.
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1 hour ago, Shotgun-Gibbs said:
I have 2 Colt SAA's & an original 92 Winchester saddle ring carbine with a button mag
That brings up a real possibility. I recently saw a Browning reproduction of the Winchester 53, the 92 sub variant that only came with a button magazine. This one also has a pistol grip stock. And, the current bid price is less than $300! Granted, that is likely to go up, but let's assume it does not go up too much. This could be a great doner rifle as I have no use for button mags. I can hear the protests about doing this to a Browning, especially an early one with no safeties, but they were well made guns, which is important. -
1 minute ago, McCandless said:
At CAS distances, I do not find any difference in accuracy between 5-1/2 and 7-1/2 inch barrel lengths.
But if I were going to shoot the Josey Wales category, I'd use my 7-1/2" Colts for the rifle targets.
Heh heh. For the rifle targets, I use the Buntlines.
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I shoot Double Duelist. I use Colt's from 3" to 12" although most of my guns are in the 4.75 to 7.5 range. I also shoot S&W's, Remingtons and other stuff from time to time. The only thing I don't have is a Ruger.
I don't find barrel length significant at all.
Of course, I am sorta weird when it comes to handedness. My Grandfather was ambidextrous, and I seem to have inherited that. I write and bat right handed, but I shoot, eat, and throw left handed. In fact, I do MOST things left handed. So, learning to shoot right handed was pretty easy for me.
By the same token, I have read that it is easier for lefties to learn to do things righty than the other way around. Partly because, rightly or wrongly, it's a right handed world and so many tools and other things are built to be operated right handed.
Curiously, it can be argued that the SAA and the 1911 are better suited to southpaws. Now, the safety on the 1911 is of course, right handed, but the slide release and magazine release are much easier to manipulate with the index finger of the left hand if the pistol is held in that hand. And yes, the trigger of the SAA is offset for a right handed trigger finger, but to load it, it's in your left hand, and once it's loaded, it's already in your shooting hand and ready to go. Of course, the counter argument to that is that you are using your right hand to manipulate the cartridiges, which is easier to do with your more dextrous hand.
But I digress.
The best way to get used to shooting with your "weak" hand, is to just do it. I would recommend that at your next shoot, if you are right handed, shoot the whole match left handed. Both pistols, rifle and shotgun. Train yourself to shoot with your left hand. After 2 or 3 shoots, you'll get used to it, and then go to double duelist or even gunfighter with much greater ease. At least, that's my recommendation.-
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17 hours ago, Roger Rapid said:
As far as I know, none of the clone makers - USFA, AWA, TAURUS, UBERTI, or PEDERSOLI - made a .32-30 version
Which pretty effectively rules out several ideas. I just won't use a Colt for them.
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2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:
Here’s the Hi Point I have. Basic model.
Interesting.
I've never been all that interested, but I am curious to know what the quality is. Without regard to if they are your cup of tea, they do look like fun guns to shoot. -
As I approach 60, I find myself feeling like it's much more likely that most of my future gun purchases will be "unusual" in some way, and that they combine several of my interests at once.
I have in the past spoken of my affinity for the .32-20 cartridge. I have also spoken of my enjoyment of Mare's Leg type pistols. Well, the idea of a Mare's Leg in .32-20 has recently become something of a concept in my mind.
It looks like nobody makes one, so that leaves me with three options:1. Wait for all the dust to settle over the SBR regulations, and then create one.
2. Just go the SBR route
3. Do like I did with my 73, and have another "Buntline Mare's Leg" with a 16" barrel.
All three options have their plusses and minuses. I think Option 2 is the least attractive way to do it, especially if/when the SBR rules are all eventually thrown out. Option 3 has the flexibility that it can always be cut down once 1 happens. But darn it, I like my 73 based Buntline Leg, and if I went that route again, I'd be loathe to shorten it later. In fact once 1 comes to pass, I may very well Mare's Leg another 73. As to if it'll be another .44-40 or a .45 Colt, or even the desired .32-20, remains to be seen.
But that brings me to the real point of this post. What should I base it on?
I am actually leaning on doing it with a (reproduction) 66 in the caliber. Not the rifle I already have, I'd get another one for the purpose. A close second contender would be if I can find a replica Lightning in the caliber and create a new Lightning Bolt. Or maybe I'll do both.
Of course, the traditional 92 based version is also something to consider.
This is of course, purely for fun. In case you don't know, the Mare's Leg remains not approved for SASS use, but they are still enjoyable to own and shoot.
I am just not sure which way to go if I go down this road. Any thoughts or suggestions?
P.S. Any word on a date for the Volcanic pistol? -
Is the Hi Point that really "fancy tachticool" futuristic looking thing?
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I think the potential for variation is rather endless. You would have to keep it within the bounds of safety, so that probably means not using a .30-30 (or larger) of you decide to use all rifles, but you could use a .22, perhaps. Or just two other main match rifles to replace the pistols. A 4th to do the shotguns, or just stay with the shotgun for the shotgun targets. Allow a revolver carbine for the pistols if you want.
If all Shotguns, use a couple of preloaded repeaters for the rifle and pistols, but a side by side for the shotgun targets.
Or use one SXS for everything.
Allow for a .410 on the pistol/rifle targets.
For all Pistols, allow for the use of pocket pistols instead of main match ones. Use a Mare's leg for the rifle targets. Or just do it Josey Wales style and use an SAA for everything.
The variations and possibilities are limited only by the individual shooter's imagination, and what he or she may have.
Love to see someone engage the 10 rifle targets with a single LeMat, for example.
You could even allow the last stage to be done Wild Bunch style, I suppose. Either SASS style, or go old school to the wide open way it was before the SASS rules existed.
I would say not matter what, if the open stage is created, it might be wise to say anything is not allowed for safety/club rules/or some other reason.
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Okay....
According to Wikipedia....
Alaska: Pre-64 Winchester Model 70
Arizona: Colt SAA
Arkansas: The Shotgun in general.
Indiana: The Grouseland Rifle
Kentucky: The Kentucky Rifle
Missouri: The Hawken Rifle.
Pennsylvania: The Pennsylvania Long Rifle.
Tennessee: Barret M82
Texas: Colt Walker
Utah: The M1911
West Virginia: Hall Model 1819 Flintlock Rifle.
Interesting how Tennessee has a non "historical" gun. It was apparently chosen cuz the guy who designed it was from there.
Would be fun for Connecticut to use the AR-15 as its rifle. But there are a lot of good candidates for that state to choose from between Marlin, Winchester, Colt and others.-
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On 10/5/2026 at 1:24 PM, El Sobrante Kid said:
Modern context: Because the word "spade" later became used as a racial slur in the 20th century,
It did? I've never known the word to mean anything but a shovel. Or the suit in a deck of cards.
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I saw an article to day that Idaho has a ballot to declare one of six candidates to be the official state firearm. The choices were all good ones, although I don't know why they are the candidates.
But let that go.
There are already 10 states that have a state firearm.
But let THAT go to.
Let's work from the following premise:
Each State should have a state handgun, rifle and shotgun. The guns in questions should somehow be "associated" with the state in question, and we will use association in the broadest possible way. For example, if 90% of residents of the fictional state of North Tahoma historically owned a Ruger Blackhawk, that would be a good candidate. Other criteria would be made there, designed by a native of the state, culturally or historically thought of a lot in that state or whatever.
So, with that in mind, what do you think should be the state firearm(s) of YOUR home state. Please, no snarky comments about one with a knotted up barrel. Put some thought into what you think is legitimately associated with where you live, for whatever reason.
I will nominate the following for my home state of Massachusetts.
Handgun: The Smith & Wesson M&P Revolver. Not only was it made in Massachusetts, it is an iconic design that was at one time issued by almost every police department in the country, has a long history of service in the US Military going back to 1899, and is instantly recognizable, Many other guns by S&W would be possible, but this one I felt was the most iconic.
Rifle: The M1 Garand. No rifle in the history of the USA is more iconic, and it was designed and produced here in the Commonwealth. Anything made at the Springfield armory would be a good contender of course, but unlike, say, the 1903, which is basically a Mauser, the M1 is a purely American design. The Savage 99 would also be a legitimate candidate. It's unique, and local, but I'm still going with the M1.
Shotgun: The Stevens 311 Side by Side. It may not be the most glamorous of designs as far as SxS's go, but it was built like a tank, and was a locally made gun. The H&R single shot would also be a contender. It was inexpensive, and for many, it was their first shotgun. Almost a coin flip, I went with the Stevens because, well, just because I did.
What would you nominate to "represent" your home state?-
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First, and only, time I went to End of the Trail, I shot it clean. It was my first clean match. And yes, I did it with my Lightning.
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You have a normal 5 stage shoot. It has the typical scenarios.
Stage six also has a the typical scenario, and most people will just shoot it the same as they would the first five.
But, you give stage six an odd twist. Something like, "Shooters who want to engage all targets with only pistols may do so." Or change the word pistol to rifles, or even shotguns. Or any other unusual combination that can be safely thought of. Or allow people who shoot something else try Gunfighter for the one stage. Or for one handed shooters to try it two handed, or vice versa. It would be a way to give shooters a chance to see if they like doing something "different" without having to put on a whole specialty shoot. And if no one takes the option, you know it's not worth trying to expand it later in the season to something special
More random thinkery from a fellow with too much time on his hands.-
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On 10/4/2026 at 12:14 PM, Dr. Zook said:
Happy Birthday as well, Sir.
The Lightning bug infection shares many similar genes with Coltitis, but at a more targeted infection vector. Other's have reported similar issues with Garanditis and its numerous subvarient's. Only reported solutions to these infections is to continue to expose (no not that way 😆) yourself to them until you have achieved a sufficient balance unless an unreported new subvarient is found in the wild. 😁
Well, one fascinating subvariant of the Lightning Bug looks like this...
This is the AWA Lightning Bolt Pistol. It is exceedingly rare. The general opinion is that less that a dozen people have been infected by it.
But it does lead to bizarre actions.
Such as the following...
I can't quite figure out how to make these things work Gunfighter style. Double Duelist works though.-
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59 minutes ago, Texas Joker said:
They know, they care. I figure it's a form of protest along the lines of Barret not fixing things for LEO that aren't legal for the general public to have.
Or just trying to keep themselves from having to defend sales of 'prohibitted' items cause even proving you did nothing wrong costs time and money.
Actually, there exact words when I asked them about it were in fact, "We know. We don't care."
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14 hours ago, Chantry said:
People hurt doesn't count, because that's not funny.
I was shooting Frontiersman gunfighter style at the Tri-State (CT, MA, RI) a long time ago. It was a hot weekend, easily into the 90's and humid. One of the shooters was feeling the weather worse than the rest of us so I had him take over the unload table where he could sit down. I went up and did the posse chores he had been doing and then went up to the shot. Shoot rifle, all 10 rounds go down range. Moved to where the pistols were to be shot. Drawn the pistols and the first one goes pop instead of bang. Ok, not uncommon when shooting cap & balls. Fire the second shot and again get a pop instead of bang. At this point the voice in my head wakes up and starts waving its hand for attention. By the third pop instead of bang, it occurs to me that by having the other shooter sit and work the unloading table and doing his posse chores, I had forgotten to put powder and ball into the cap & ball pistols. The next day, with some nervousness as he didn't know me very well then, he presented me with a badge with an updated alias: Empty Chamber Chantry, which I found funny as hell.
Oh man! I wish I'd been on that Posse!
Anyway, I was at a shoot once, I don't remember where and I was shooting my "Goofy Guns." That's what I called the following battery at that time...
Rifle: Winchester 92 with John Wayne style lever.
Pistol 1: Colt Buntline.
Pistol 2: Colt Sheriff.
Shotgun: Greener Police single shot shotgun built on the Martini action.
For the last stage of the day, I loaded the last round in the Sheriff with black powder after shooting smokeless all day. They unexpected fire and boom got a lot of laughs.
Then I moved to the shotgun position and realized I'd not put any shotgun rounds in my belt. Lost me the clean match.-
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12 hours ago, Dapper Dave said:
State law changes can catch you in mid bite sometimes. I'm sorry about that, sir, Massachusetts was the birthplace of American freedom...and look at it now. Dang shame.
Yeah, I get it. And in a way, I don't blame some of these places. But the truth is C&R guns are specifically exempted from a lot of our stupid laws. I know of one well known store, Sarco, that will even admit that they KNOW this and there is no reason why they can't legally ship those things to Massachusetts. They just don't care, and won't.
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A .32-20 Mare's Leg
in SASS Wire Saloon
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Yeah, I saw that. It's quite nice. And amazingly, Massachusetts has NO SBR restrictions.
So, today, among other things, I have my gunsmith working on taking my 16.5" barrel .45-70 Mare's Leg and shortening it to less than that.