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Widder, SASS #59054

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  1. 14 minutes ago, Yul Lose said:

    If I were writin the instructions I’d let the gunfighters alternate the 5-5 targets.


    That would be a nice gesture..... BUT, it could no longer be called a 'sweep'.


    But you have my vote!  :D




  2. Your right (again) Phantom.


    Having good competition is fun.   Being able to compete is fun.

    And fun is having good competition, regardless of my level of competition or the level of my competition.


    You're business is probably gonna get busy the next couple weeks, which may (or may not) limit

    your Wire usage.   So just in case you ain't on here......  hope you have a Peaceful and Happy Holiday





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  3. I agree with FKCGG.


    There have been a few times where someone inquired about a Marlin issue (problem).

    In response to their issues, I have posted lengthy and detailed information to help them

    solve the problems.


    And in most cases, other Wire Pards have joined in with very useful information.


    It would be nice and respectful if the person seeking the information and help would 

    inform us Wire Pards of the outcome....... whether the gun got fixed or not.   Its a good

    learning tool for all of us to read.   I think MOST of us learn from each other on those

    kind of post and an UPDATE from the 'seeker' would benefit us all.




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  4. 1 hour ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

    NWS says that there were thirteen tornadoes that touched down in Middle Tennessee.


    One of them was probably TN Williams spinning another 'yarn' to anyone that would listen.




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  5. Here in the Eastern Part (just south of Knoxville, close to the Smoky Mtns), we just got 

    some good rain and winds.   I aint heard of anyone getting any twisties.




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  6. 30 minutes ago, Texas Jack Black said:

    I also noticed that if you close the action even when empty the carrier will at times lock up against the bolt and not allow closure?



    About anything and everything can go wrong with all of our firearms in the course of a



    Yes, the 97 has a little reputation based on

    failures more so than other SG's, BUT...

    when you look at the percentages of 97

    used in past years (when that reputation

    was more obvious), and when you consider

    the age of those 97's (mostly Winchesters of vintage age), and the abuse they were given BEFORE getting used in CAS, you can

    understand why that reputation exist.


    In recent years, when more folks have started using the SxS and the

    87, I've started seeing more problems coming from the SxS than

    from those using the 97..... atleast in this area.


    My opinion:  A lot of these SG problems, regardless of type, occur

    because the owner tries to do their 'slick up' job theyowndangself.

    They buy a cheaper brand of SG and then try to tune it up

    to save money.


    My 97's have withstood YEARS of abuse and are still running great.

    Of course, I'm also shooting some of the better models of the IAC,

    which are newer built, newer metals, etc.....   BUT, my gunsmith

    knows his stuff with the 97, and as Kid Rich stated, my biggest

    gremlin in smooth feeding/ejections is from factory ammo.


    I've seen SxS come apart upon firing.  I've seen the forearms fall off

    during firing.  I've even seen RUGER firing pins break during a 

    big match down in Georgia a few years back.


    Before making a determination about a certain firearm we 

    use (abuse), look at the percentages of folks using those

    guns to help give a better indication of their quality.

    And remember, we ABUSE our guns greatly, especially the

    97..   For me, I treat my 97's like a rented mule.


    Happy Holidays TJB




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  7. 2 hours ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said:



    I'm glad you pards spoke up!

    I was thinking about getting one of that breed.

    Always good to here from experts.




    Every time someone refers to me as being an 'Expert', it usually means I'm a drip

    under pressure.





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  8. Basically, even the main matches are Speed pistol, Speed Rifle and

    Speed SG.   The usage of a timer dictates how fast everyone performs.....or how slow, depending upon perception.


    Happy Holidays!




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  9. Scrappy,

    Not only get the LOP appropriate for her, But also the 'cant'.

    If she tends to shoot high and over the target, tell the stock adjuster that info.

    If she shoots low, tell the adjuster..


    And in MY opinion, LOP matters and can be different depending on whether she shoots a 97 or a SxS,

    AND..... her method of loading and shooting the shotgun.


    Best regards




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  10. Curly,

    Your recent description now helps me understand..... and thanks for the video.


    I have an idea as to the gremlin, but I will wait till you can call me.

    Right now, I'm thinking there is a problem in the manner the lever and carrier are connecting.....

    or I should say, NOT connecting.


    I'm retired and live in TN (eastern time).  Call me most anytime.




  11. 1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

    Have you contacted Ruger? 

    You can try a .25 cal bore mop in a drill motor, and toothpaste.


    One of the better toothpaste I have tried with good results for polishing is the

    'Charcoal' type toothpaste.   But, one word of warning..... don't try to clean it up with

    cleaning oils or cleaning solutions.   It don't seem to wash away easy with oil.   BUT,

    if you clean it out with water, it cleans up easy.


    Some of the best advice on this thread was posted above by Garrison Joe.

    He shares a lot of good stuff with us on the Wire.




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  12. 1 hour ago, Chicken George* said:

    I love your insight! 


    Thank you kindly.

    Deuce and Santa Fe River Stan are 2 of my 97 hero's.

    I've competed with both in side matches and can attest

    to their abilities, skill and speed.   They both have seem to

    master their SG ability with the SxS also.




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  13. Hey CG,

    Another opinion of mine:  Phantom, in his own right, is a darn

    good 97 shooter.   So its hard to impress him with someones 97

    skills, etc.....     

    A feller don't become a category Natl Champ using a 97 unless

    there is some real skill in his blood (although most Borgs run

    on 10W-30).   :lol:




  14. Howdy CG.

    Here is my opinion... and its just an opinion not based on fact or any poll I've taken.  


    BUT, before I give my opinion, I will say that some mighty fine and fast 97 shooters have told me in past years that the reason

    they don't play the speed events is for the very reason stated by Phantom.


    Now, for my opinion:

    The speed events can be an 'oyimoron', for lack of a better term.

    When a speed event, such as for shotgun, has restrictive or binding guidelines, then it really ain't a speed event nor equal for every shooter.

    Example: if the SG is staged on a low table and the 6 ft. plus shooter has to start themselves from the timer on the table, both hands on the timer, then it can become a handicap for that taller

    shooter.   And if you reverse the situation, tall table/shorter shooter,

    it handicaps the shorter shooter and most of the ladies.


    Telling a shooter to start at Port Arms with both hands touching SG can enhance my shooting style but hinder the over the top shooter just a few .000's of a second.  Red Knee and I both

    agree on this.


    And when events only allow ONE run (the 1st run), it becomes a very disinteresting event to me.   I think Top Shooters enjoy the 'battle' a lot more than savoring a 'lucky' run.


    Well, that's just my thinking.   That is why I lobby for the 97 speed events allow the shooter to 'start' at their preferred starting position as long as the hand isn't touching shells.

    Some shotgunners are best when the SG is staged on a table, some are best when its in hand(s), and some might be best at a port arms position or slight modification of port arms.


    Someone recently told me that the reason some of the speed shotgun events require staging on the table was because that is the manner in which the Cowboy World Record is set up.

    My reply was that the reason its set up that way is because  Lead Dispenser choose it to be that way.   AND, it was probably one of the fastest methods for his 'over the top' technique.

    And the 'over the top' loading technique was greatly served when the SG is staged with port up..... and no doubt, very fast.


    For me, staging on the table, port up or down, is fruitless for me to get a good run.  I have to scoop up the SG from the fore end, which ain't exactly a good method.

    Ya gotta ask yeself......... is it a 'speed pickup' event or a 'speed shooting' event..... :lol:


    Have a good day.   Sorri for being long winded.





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  15. Capt Curly,

    If you can, give me a call.   865 / 696-1996


    I've trying to understand your predicament but can't exactly follow when you are getting this 'sticky'

    feeling and ...."sending the cartridge back into the magazine....".


    Have your rifle, flashlight and screw driver available when you call me.





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