Phantom, SASS #54973
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1 hour ago, Vail Vigilante said:
I don't have a problem with rifle not last, but I wonder what type of timers folks are using that the report is a problem?
In one of my other games, I shoot a suppressed 223. Others shoot suppressed 300 Blackouts. On the Blackouts the clack of the AR15 is louder than the report.
We don't have an issue with timers not recording it.
Lot's of Pact and Pro...
Picking up rifle is truly not easy a lot of the time...
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2 hours ago, Arcadia Outlaw, SASS 71385 said:
I know some will disagree, but I like gun order in matches. I write stages with mixed starting gun order, for example in a 6 stage match your going to start with every gun at least once maybe twice and maybe one or two choice stages. Example: Two stages start with rifle, one time rifle will be on a prop or table and one time in hand or cowboy port arms etc. Same with shotgun and pistols hands on pistols or prop or staged. Never start the same way twice in a match and you have variety, you don’t need rifle last to add variety.
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I pretty much agree with you. Nothing wrong with shooter's choice stages...but having like every stage written that way is boring. And I 100% agree on not repeating starting positions!!!! How lazy is a Stage Writer that can't come up with different starting positions.
And folks, starting "at the ready / gun(s) in hand(s)" is not the only starting position allowed...OY!
If you as a Stage Writer can't keep your customers entertained with variety...perhaps it's time to pass the torch.
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47 minutes ago, Lawdog Dago Dom said:
Oh yeah, I've seen him around. Nice guy.
Phantom
PS: I've always been bad with names/aliases
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Never heard of him...where does he shoot?
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Just now, Marshal Stone, SASS #53366 said:
Such as claiming they are watching the shooter when they can call out every edge hit.
I see edges all the time...but never "every edge hit".
Just like Procedurals, sometimes the TO is in the best position to see these things.
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6 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:
Hey griping is free. Coming up with solutions is hard. It is just too bad we have to do this and can't address the root cause(s) which so far look like crappy wimpy ammo, crappy poorly designed stage fronts and, the biggest offenders, crappy poorly trained TOs. Looks like we are doomed to lives of no rifles last.
Look...if we can't get TO's to watch the shooter rather than being just a glorified spotter (target watcher), what makes anyone think that we can get TO's to make sure that they are picking up Rifle shots.
We are dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.
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I write stages using the "Any order, rifle not last" statement.
Open to writing it a different way so long as it's not wordy...so...how would folks write the instructions?
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16 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:
I hate it when the posse marshal is reading the stage and says "firearms may be shot in any order BUT rifle may not be last." If rifle may not be last don't waste my time saying firearms may be shot in any order.
Gotta ask. How would you word a stage where you can shoot this way?
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8 hours ago, Black RZR said:
Worrying about someone getting an advantage cause the timer won’t pick up last shot not worth it. I worry more about counters that don’t pay attention and shooters that should be getting multiple misses end up clean or 1 miss stage. Or if the counters don’t pay attention for smoke shooters, and we get misses cause of a dead target
Let me get this clear in my head. You don't care if someone get's an advantage...unless they get an advantage.
Gotcha!
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5 minutes ago, watab kid said:
much as ive enjoyed this thread for reading , i dont see the issue here - dont finish with the rifle ? whats the problem ?
The issue is opening up more options for Stage Writers...
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11 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said:
A 250gr 45 Colt load at 800fps is 200fps below the SASS legal maximum velocity in a revolver. It's legal. But some people feel it's ok to worry and complain about those shooters who are also shooting legal loads well below the maximum allowed.
I would say that no one should tell a competitor that is using legal ammo that they can't use that ammo.
That said, there are reasons why that might not be the best thing. Why?
1. Hard on folk's hearing
2. Beats the crap outta cheap steel...that some clubs use because they can't afford good steel.
So comparing complains of upper limit legal rounds to lower limit legal rounds is a faulty analogy. The lower limit legal ammo users generally only hurt themselves via misses called because of the lack of target report.
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18 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:
C.C. well I guess some folks have had some different results. But since the main complaint is shooting through windows and such, maybe rifle could be last on more open stages?
Main complaint...maybe. But if weighed it might be rather insignificant.
Expecting the TO to consistently make sure they are in position to pick up light loads is right up there in the complaint scale.
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10 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:
As stated above when shooting through windows and other small openings it is hard to get a timer to pick up mouse fart loads
Well it didn't take long to get the old "mouse fart loads" comment...
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21 minutes ago, C.C. Moonshine said:
I found that if complete attention was given to angle and position of the timer, I was able to capture 100% of the shots.
This is...practically speaking...impossible.
If you are going to write in a finish on rifle stage, facades will play into the equation.
I believe that will all the variables (TO attention, Stage configuration, rifle bbl lengths and loads), finishing with the rifle is not good if you want to have a fair and consistent match.
Phantom
(The denied Regulator 😆)
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27 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:
Hell there are still people griping about the abolition of Modern.
Well while we're on the subject of Modern....
😲
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Just now, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:
There were 116 offered for EOT. This is a result of SASS's category matrix. That is nuts. 52 is still too many. The point of the thread is to reduce the number of categories to something that is reasonable.
Here's the funny thing.
Most of those that will raise hell if their category is nixed are the older folks. The older folks make up the majority of the shooters attending matches.
Hmmmmm...will they come if they are thrown into a category where they have to compete against the younger folks? When during the TG meeting at last years Land Run a certain shooter (that regularly posts here on the Wire), raised hell when it was made known that the category collapsing was done incorrectly. His category...might have been SS Duelist...maybe ES Duelist...should have been collapsed down into Senior rather then kept while having the Senior category collapsed into the Duelist category.
"You're not going to get rid of MY category!!!"...said he...or...something like that.
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4 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:
That is right back to where this thread started. Only took ten posts to go in a complete circle.
I like circles...keeps the debate going.
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3 minutes ago, Long Hunter SASS #20389L said:
Okay my friend, I'll bite. 🙂
Each SASS category has men and women. No costume category except the extras needed in Classic Cowboy. 38 total SASS categories. Except for youth, at least five per category in state level and up matches for a trophy. Recognize down to 5th place in state level and up matches. If "B" western is a deal breaker, then add four more categories.
Youth - Up to 14
Junior - 15-18
Open - 19-50
Open - 51-70
Open - 71+
Duelist - 16-50
Duelist - 51-70
Duelist - 70+
Gunfighter - 16-50
Gunfighter - 51-70
Gunfighter - 71+
Black Powder Open - 16-50
Black Powder Open - 51-70
Black Powder Open - 70+
Black Powder Duelist - 16-50
Black Powder Duelist - 51-70
Black Powder Duelist - 70+
Classic Cowboy - 16-50
Classic Cowboy - 51+
I'd shoot that!
But boy would the Black Powder GF'ers be pissed. 😜
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1 hour ago, Swiss Kid, SASS #54030 said:
52 categories for 600 shooters. Nuts.
32 Open categories and 20 Lady's categories...
Tell us how you'd break down the categories.
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I'd like to see pictures of your carrier.
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7 minutes ago, Erasmus said:
I, personally, prefer to keep my favorite places clean for the benefit of myself and my pards. Other people are obviously happy to recreate among their own detritus.
Keeping things clean...and what it is that is polluting are two separate things.
And are you sure the use of the word "detritus" is appropriate as used?
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31 minutes ago, Erasmus said:
Not having to stare at plastic shot cups left by other hunters while walking up pheasants or decoying ducks is a couple of good ones. Not having to bend over and pick up shot cups on the cowboy range is another one.
You really have an...issue...with plastic wads.
Perhaps you should make peace with plastic wads.
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9 hours ago, Erasmus said:
It's not for everyone, but it's certainly not "difficult".
But it is for those that are trying to save the planet from the evils of plastic wad pollution...
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And the making of BP a difficult category to load for continues...
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I agree!
Bye bye B-Western!
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Phantom