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Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485

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  1. >Length of the barrel does not matter, under 26''OAL, no stock = pistol , shoulder stock any barrel length = rifle<


    Rifle barrel has to be 16" or longer.


    Really. It does. Look it up.


    You put a shoulder stock on a pistol with a barrel shorter than 16" and you have committed a federal felony good for ten years in Club Fed and a quarter-million dollar fine.


    But if it makes you happy, go ahead and put a stock on your 4 3/4" SAA. It's your life.

    You are absolutely correct, if you have a barrel less than 16'' and a shoulder stock it is a short barrel rifle, no NFA paper work , big trouble. You also seem to be missing my point, you can change a pistol to a rifle ( add stock and barrel over 16") and than change it back. Lets use an AR15 pistol as an example. If it was originally built as a pistol, pistol buffer and barrel shorter than 16", you can put a 16" upper on it than change out the pistol buffer for a shoulder stock and make it a rifle. If it came from the factory as a rifle you can not turn it into a pistol.

  2. If it came with a buttstock, it's a shotgun, and taking the barrel under 18" is NFA.


    If it came with a pistol grip, it was not a shotgun, and you could shorten it. But if you put a buttstock on it, you turned it into a shotgun, and shortening the barrel would require NFA.

    I disagree with your second statement. TC won a court case years ago about contenders, people would take the pistol frame and put the carbine stock and barrel on, BATF said you could not go back to a pistol if you did that. TC sued and won, court ruled the original condition of the gun is all that maters. You can turn a pistol into a rifle and back to a pistol, but if it came from the factory as a rifle it is always a rifle. Uberti used to make a buntline with a detachable stock, with the stock off it's a pistol, on it's a rifle, go back and forth as much as you want.




    That said I'm with Pat Riot, I'd only buy one from the factory.

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    Really? They just announced them at the SHOT Show....

    People have been making these for some time now. If you start with a shotgun that came from the factory with a pistol grip ( I know mossberg does that) you can put the short barrel on it. They just made it a factory offering to make up for that chainsaw contraption. You have to change the pistol grip to the longer one also.

  4. Metric is more common, but an inch pattern gun will use either style mag. That said I've only seen about 3 inch pattern mags in the last 20 years. Most parts are interchangeable. Most guns you will find are metric, even the ones built from inch kits, like the old century guns, are built on metric receivers. I've had just about every one, L1A1 on a Enterprise inch pattern receiver, Israeli H-bar, STG58 on a Imbel receiver, just could not make myself like them, much prefer an AR.

  5. I'm guessing it will be priced 3 times more than a Ruger or S&W.

    Suggested retail on a S&W m60 is $729, $30 more than the Colt, Ruger SP101 is $719, $20 more. Both are 5 shot.


    I am curious to ask those of you who worship at the altar of Colt what you think of it. I looked at some Colt's back in the early 80's and chose a S&W instead, not just because of price, but to me the push button releasing the cylinder felt much more natural than pulling the release on the Colt. Aside from that, I imagine their product will be second to none, but I'm not sure can get past that. Is there some technique to using their cylinder release I should have been aware of?

    I just catch it with my thumb and pull it back, not harder not easier just different.


    It will be a Colt without anything that made Colt special.

    It will be overpriced, under finished and desperately hoping the cachet of it's name distracts you with nostalgia.

    Praying that you fail to realize that without hand fitting and deep blue polishing there is no longer any reason for its existence.

    You just described most guns being made today, do you think Smith, Ruger or any one else makes a better gun for less money? We did it to ourselves we sacrificed fit and finish at the alter of price. The finely made guns of the 50's and 60's ( S&W, Colt) were out sold by the poorly finished guns of the 70's ( Ruger, rossi, charter arms).

    My King Cobra has a very nice action, every bit as good as my M629, I hope that Colt does it right, I like my original Cobra better than my 642 .

  6. I used to own one, ridiculously slow to load. It would be a nightmare at the loading table. Might not be legal as the Evans rounds were rifle rounds and never chambered in a pistol.

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