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  1. On 7/10/2021 at 10:15 PM, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

    And this topic isn't about Posse Chores. It's about Match set up and running matches. Particularly your annuals and "above" matches.


    Look ^


    Yes, I've "carried the torch". 


    "Big" matches and monthlies.  


    IME, there's usually help for "tear down" after a match (after their gear is put away, if there's anything left to do by that time).   


    Work days?  Core group.  Always the same people.

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  2. 13 hours ago, DeaconKC said:

    That would certainly make S&Ws more common!


    When I started in 2003 full pistol (and multiple rifle round) reloads were not uncommon.  I knew a few that had a S&W in their cart just for it.


    But back then most every match had at least one stage with a single-round rifle or pistol reload.  People practiced 'em. 


    And starting the stage with an unloaded rifle wasn't unheard of either.

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  3. My favorites...


    Guns at "shoulder arms" (doubles sometimes broken open, sometimes not):   Barrels from almost straight up, to pointing at the ground at a 45 deg. angle behind the shooter - the latter being an open double.  Sometimes, in the event of an open double, there isn't a hand on the gun, it's just perched on the shooters shoulder like a parrot.


    The gun rack: Butt on the ground.  Shooter standing with arms crossed, SG leaning against him.  Again, no hand on the gun.


    The walking stick: Muzzle on boot, shooters arm at full length with hand over butt, SG leaning away from shooter.


  4. 51 minutes ago, Yul Lose said:

    Instead of a sweep, targets have to be hit a certain number of times. Example: shoot center target 4 times and then the 2 outside targets 3 times each. As long as the two outside targets were shot 3 times each it wouldn’t matter if you alternated them, triple tapped them or as a gunfighter shot them one target each gun 3 times as long as they were engaged 3 times each.


    I see.  Thanks


    I've shot sequences like that many times.  Never heard it called a "round count scenario".  It has always been stated as you said.



  5. On 6/22/2021 at 12:01 PM, J-BAR #18287 said:

    Embarrassed to admit it, but I find the term “round count scenario” confusing.  If the order of engagement is not shooter’s choice then it must be a “round count” stage, right?


    I've had time to think about it, and I still can't figure out what "round count scenario" is supposed to tell me about a stage.


    So what is it?

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  6. 7 hours ago, Shooting Bull said:

    When I was first learning cowboy shooting Madd Mike would have me run first shot drills with little stick em dots on the center of the target.


    I was taught the same thing (without the dots).  LOOK at the center of the target.  When your sights align break the shot.  Then LOOK at the center of the next target (don't keep looking at the target you just shot to see if you hit it, that's over and done with), when your sights align break the shot.


    7 hours ago, Shooting Bull said:

    In Brian Enos’ book he says when you’re really in the zone your field of view opens up and you see everything.


    I'll agree.. Somewhat.  When you're in the zone... situationally aware... everything just flows.  And you do what I said above w/o thinking.  


    But I don't know Enos, nor am I at his level.  Maybe he goes into a trance.

  7. 3 hours ago, Texas John Ringo, SASS #10138 said:



    Great video.   Also applicable to cocking the hammer in our game, especially if you sliphammer.

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  8. On 6/10/2021 at 9:43 PM, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:

    Im saying that AT A CERTAIN LEVEL of event.  A Championship event.

    Everyone should be subject to shooting the same match under the same conditions.


    On 6/11/2021 at 3:04 PM, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

    But this thread ain't about Phantom.  But rather about trying

    to have TO duties that can be considered 'more equal' for

    everyone on EVERY posse..... which in turn gives a more fair

    assessment of everyones score at the end of the day.


    One year at the NC State match...  four match workers worked each berm (two stages were shot in each berm).  Those four workers timed and spotted for every shooter in the match for the two stages shot in their berm.  Two of the four were the designated TOs (because one person simply can't run the clock all the time).  So, every shooter got the same "officials" on each stage.  Those officials also cleared the line of brass & SG hulls and reset targets.  We dubbed it the "Show up and shoot" match.


    Three things:


    1) Lost brass match.  Local Boy Scouts picked brass after shooting each day, then auctioned it off at the beginning of the awards ceremony.


    2) The concept wasn't very well received by some.  Not because of any complaints about the officiating, mind you, they said they were bored.


    3) Of course, the match workers that "shot thru" all ten stages the day before the match didn't get the same "officials", and those main-match-day stage officials made for 20 additional shoot thrus.   However, if you remember a bruhaha from a few years ago, match workers that shoot thru are cheaters anyway.  :huh:


  9. 19 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

    I'm open to calling SG targets "UP"...or "Again"...It's reeeeeal hard to stop that command since it comes from just about everyone on the posse and is consistent across posses. There is really no advantage from one T.O. to another. It's all about trying to be as consistent as possible across all posses (squads).


    The first time I ever encountered, "UP!" after I missed a SG target I actually stopped and turned around.  Had no idea what the posse members from another area of the country were yelling about. 


    We don't do that "around here". 


    Might as well have been a 'cease fire' command.


    Normally I don't pay any attention to the peanut gallery, but when you have 7-9 people yelling something you stop.



  10. 9 hours ago, Hoss said:

    Shotgun is a bugaboo for many. When I started I had a stock Stoeger. Upgraded to a Johnny Meadows Bakail. Much better. Started shooting an SKB this year. And they are better. I just load it quicker. Once you get a standard 10–10-4+ down to 25 seconds or so, those next 5 seconds are hard to come by. Shotgun is typically most shooters least favorite gun. Most don’t practice much with it, or very limited. (Go to range?for practice session. , shoot 100 rifle, 100 pistol then 10 or so shotgun)




    If you only practice one gun it should be the shotgun.  It's the only gun we load on the clock.

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