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I think allowing 1911s, scored separately or not, into the game makes it an entirely different game not to mention adding a whole nother layer of rules governing the 1911. It seems to me if there are enough people having to switch to 1911s WB is ready and waiting to accommodate them.

If a Delorean and a dumpster had a baby.....

I found this on another site but think it is very moving and makes me "Proud To Be A Veterans" - Charlie On Jeopardy the other night, the final question was: “How many steps does the guard take during his walk across the Tomb of the Unknown?”All three missed it. Tomb of the Unknown Soldier 1. How many steps does the guard take during his walk across the Tomb of the Unknown and why? 21 steps. It alludes to the twenty-one gun salute, which is the highest honor given any military or foreign dignitary. 2. How long does he wait after his about face to begin his return walk and why? 21 seconds for the same reason as above. 3. Why are his gloves wet? His gloves are moistened to prevent his losing his grip on the rifle. 4. Does he carry his rifle on the same shoulder all the time and if not, why not? He carries the rifle on the shoulder away from the tomb. After his march across the path, he executes an about face and moves the rifle to the outside shoulder. 5. How often are the guards changed? Guards are changed every thirty minutes, twenty-four hours a day, 365 days a year. 6. What are the physical traits of the guard limited to? For a person to apply for guard duty at the tomb, he must be between 5' 10' and 6' 2' tall and his waist size cannot exceed 30.' Other requirements of the Guard: They must commit 2 years of life to guard the tomb, live in a barracks under the tomb, and cannot drink any alcohol on or off duty for the rest of their lives. They cannot swear in public for the rest of their lives and cannot disgrace the uniform {fighting} or the tomb in any way. After two years, the guard is given a wreath pin that is worn on their lapel signifying they served as guard of the tomb. There are only 400 presently worn. The guard must obey these rules for the rest of their lives or give up the wreath pin. The shoes are specially made with very thick soles to keep the heat and cold from their feet. There are metal heel plates that extend to the top of the shoe in order to make the loud click as they come to a halt. There are no wrinkles, folds or lint on the uniform. Guards dress for duty in front of a full-length mirror. The first six months of duty a guard cannot talk to anyone, nor watch TV. All off duty time is spent studying the 175 notable people laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetery. A guard must memorize who they are and where they are interred. Among the notables are: President Taft, Joe E. Lewis {the boxer} and Medal of Honor recipient Audie Murphy, {the most decorated soldier of WWII} of Hollywood fame. Every guard spends five hours a day getting his uniforms ready for guard duty. ETERNAL REST GRANT THEM O LORD, AND LET PERPETUAL LIGHT SHINE UPON THEM. In 2003 as Hurricane Isabelle was approaching Washington , DC , our US Senate/House took 2 days off with anticipation of the storm. On the ABC evening news, it was reported that because of the dangers from the hurricane, the military members assigned the duty of guarding the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier were given permission to suspend the assignment. They respectfully declined the offer, 'No way, Sir!' Soaked to the skin, marching in the pelting rain of a tropical storm, they said that guarding the Tomb was not just an assignment, it was the highest honor that can be afforded to a serviceperson. The tomb has been patrolled continuously, 24/7, since 1930. God Bless and Keep Them. We can be very proud of our young men and women in the service no matter where they serve. Duty - Honor - Country IN GOD WE TRUST — with Herbert F Wieland.

Just like there are rules covering Cowboy Action! 1911s and stoked shotguns?? What’s next, maybe auto loader rifles? just shoot WB and call it what it is

Don't get me wrong! If one of our local clubs makes that move I'll do my best to make it work when I'm a TO. I enjoy the sport more for the shooting than the cowboy aspect, but I do enjoy the cowboy aspect of it and I don't think 1911s are cowboy. I mean it is SASS as in Single Action not Semi Auto.

Let me guess, it was called Lo Wen Bra.

Hipsters and snowflakes need a soft ride. They're easily butt hurt, as we all know

A 1911 is a single action semi automatic, just sayin'.

In my area, there are a few clubs that will allow for WB shooters during a cowboy monthly, usually there is a separate set of stage instructions for the WB shooter(s). Then there are clubs that have one day where only WB shooters can shoot, but cowboy shooters are allowed. I have not seen a club that allows for the option of shooting a SASS legal revolver of cowboy shooting or a 1911 platform. I, for one, would be against any option for the use of a SASS approved revolver versus a 1911 platform gun. If a shooter is having difficulty cocking the hammer of a revolver, as previously stated, making a change to the 1911 is even worse on the hands and wrists for that shooter. Just the power factor alone of the 1911, that will allow the action to properly work, will cause more potential problems for a weak one or two handed shooter than the revolver.

Cococino Pistolero's post about switching to two handed shooting because of arthritis got me thinking. Is it time to allow 1911's in the main matches? It could be a separate category of course, we do allow it at our monthly Firelands shoot and it's scored separately from the other shooters. It's a modified Wild Bunch. Might be a way to keep everyone that's getting older in the game. Thoughts?

.....please do not try to pull me in for a man hug unless you’re a close relative. I’m not anti social. It’s just not a thing I'm comfortable with but it seems to be the norm nowadays. Call me crazy.

I understand, I just respectfully disagree. I think keeping folks in the game is an admirable objective, I just think that's too big of a change.

Pretty much everything from #6 on is urban legend, turned into fact by repeated repeatances on the internet. One of the best officers I ever served under had served at the Tomb. Standards were extraordinary, but he got a chuckle out of the rumors, and this was pre-internet.

So, I shot a nice buck on opening day! Showed me five points on a side as he walked through the trees. One shot. Couldn't have been happier with him. Kaya was thrilled that I got a nice buck. Normally it's her that shoots.

Don't forget the crying towel. OLG

But it comes with bullet-proof, armoured glass!!

That is AMC Pacer ugly. I do wonder is it is radar defecting though, kind of looks like a F-117 but ugly as hell.

Yup. I like the cream in a tube as well. The key is to make sure the metal id properly de-greased.

I don't see this as necessarily a change to fit everyone. I see it as a way to keep some shooters in the game but more importantly, it adds variety to the old 10-10-4. Shooting the entire course with a handgun would be a hoot whether it's a period double action revolver or a 1911. The folks that think the sky will fall if a 1911 is used need to consider getting out of their box. I change categories every year so using a 1911 in a CAS scenario isn't a far reach for me. As far as the TO, if they can't understand a slight change in weaponry, they shouldn't be a TO. That's just the view from my saddle.

Why not shoot 2 rifles and no revolvers then? I'd rather see that as an allowance before semi-autos are.

What pat of "Single Action Shooting Society" is not understood?? Rye, your "Caffeine Low Light is ON"

Add me to the no camp. - I don't see how the 1911 would help the shooter with arthritis much. You still have to load the mags, rack the slide, do mag changes and deal with the recoil. - It would require that every TO be versed in the operation/function of the 1911. It would also require that every TO be versed in the Wild Bunch rules or a modified version there of. - It would increase brass pick up by double. - It would add yet another category to a game that already has way too many categories. Don't get me wrong, I love the 1911....it's one of my favorites. It just doesn't belong incorporated into a Cowboy Action match in my opinion. YMMV

Escondido and Cajon allow Pike (WB) shooters to mingle with the CAS shooters and it works out well. Someday we have to all accept our limitations and adjust to them and hopefully we can allow some of that in the sport that we love.

Pard, I was just reading that same post and having a ghost of a similar thought.

No, you do not have to be home. There is a requirement to "Knock and announce." If they picked the lock, that was a lot nicer than we were. If the crime was violent, suspect had a past violent record or if weapons were known to be in the house, a heavily armed contingent of officers broke the door with a sledge hammer or a door breaching ram.

I would agree, but a part of what I do is play Sheriff for our club. I got tired of leaving the match to run back to my truck for tools needed to fix targets, help people fix guns, clean my SG chambers, or put on a band aid. It's a lot easier to just load it all in and enjoy the day. And I do enjoy every single day of shooting with friends! I find it rewarding to be able to offer up a squib rod or gunsmith screwdriver, or a box of SG shells to somebody who forgot theirs. Or just share a candy bar. All part of the fun.

They helped me with a problem with my 38WCF by making me a run of bullets 402 diameter - and at no extra charge! They even gave me the SASS discount.

Good luck to all the hunters out there! I hope your season is as successful as mine. I got to hear my daughters rifle bark in the woods. Life is good.

We had a mini gun from a downed Loach that was mounted on a Jeep. Never ran the roads but it was very handy for firebase defense. Very handy indeed.

Vilify

Oh, that's right, I had forgotten. There's even some pins:

Been doing a bunch of thinking on this. I started shooting smoky from the beginning in 2006 and started shooting duelist in 2007 since it was the way they did it in the old west. I don't remember seeing any pictures showing it but I suspect them old pards that got a touch of the rheumatism probably started shooting two handed it they wanted to hit the target before the sunsets. Arthritis has made shooting duelist slower and by the 5th or 6th stage a bit painful. Doc says it isn't too bad yet but its not going to get better. I tried lower hammers on the capguns but the thumb still gets to hurting by the end of a match. Hand exercises help hand strength but don't do anything for the thumb arthritis. Any other pards here had to make the switch? I suspect so. And I aint changing to heathen smokeless.

Shrimp and Grits Dressing from Southern Living Magazine 1 pound peeled, medium-size raw shrimp 3 cups chicken broth 1/2 tsp. salt 1/4 tsp. ground red pepper 1 cup uncooked regular grits 1/2 cup butter 3 large eggs, lightly beaten 1 red bell pepper, diced 1 cup fine, dry breadcrumbs 1 cup chopped green onions 1/2 cup grated Parmesan cheese Preheat oven to 325 degrees. Devein shrimp, if desired. Bring broth and next two ingredients to a boil in a large saucepan over medium-high heat. Whisk in grits, and return to a boil; reduce heat to low, and stir in butter. Cover and simmer, stirring occasionally, 10 minutes or until liquid is absorbed. Remove from heat. Stir together eggs and next four ingredients in a large bowl. Gradually stir about one-fourth of hot grits mixture into egg mixture; add egg mixture to remaining hot grits mixture, stirring constantly. Stir in shrimp until well blended. Pour grits mixture into a lightly greased 11-x 7-inch baking dish. Bake at 325 degrees for 55 minutes to 1 hour or until mixture is set. Let stand 10 minutes. I always cut up my veggies before I start cooking. I just like to have them waiting for me. The first time I made this recipe, I used the amounts given in the original recipe and made an 11"x7" dish. I knew I would need more to feed a bigger crowd, so I used 50% more ingredients to make a 9"x13" dish for Thanksgiving. I used four eggs plus a tablespoon of water in the larger recipe. Otherwise, everything else increased by 50% rather easily. In addition to the red peppers and green onions, I stretched the larger batch with a half of a green bell pepper. I changed the original recipe by adding a couple of cloves of chopped garlic and 1/2 tsp. of seafood seasoning to the shrimp before incorporating them into the dish. I just wanted to add a little extra flavor. Words cannot express how absolutely amazing this tastes! Even if you don't like grits, I want you to try this. The grits were moist and flavorful and the texture is truly that of dressing. I believe I have started a new Thanksgiving tradition. I hardly think I can show up next year without this dish. That could lead to an uprising of historial proportions! Enjoy!! 

Bugley! I made that up. It is short for Butt-Ugly. However, I think having a ramp is a idea.

In this county, no, although they do work closely with the DA's office. It's part of the county's "Community Action Program," and provides provides counselling and advocacy services for victims (and witnesses), including helping them through the judicial system and even accompanying "clients" to court. They also operate shelters, and help victims with everything from finding compensation to medical services to funeral expenses. I could never do most of what they do. However, over a dozen years ago I was asked to start a Cub Scout pack for the little boys in the program - some of whom lived with their moms in shelters. How can you say "No" to a request like that? So I did... ran it for about two years, until the budget cuts of the recession. So many of the kids got to do things they'd never dreamed of, like crafts, field trips, Pinewood Derby, and even summer camp, but mostly just doing fun stuff in a safe environment. That was an experience! I'll always remember our first outing, when we took the guys to a Fresno Grizzlies baseball game. Little eight-year old boy put his head on my shoulder and just crashed; the little tyke was totally exhausted - physically, mentally, and emotionally - after saying good-bye to his dad a couple of hours earlier when he was sent off to prison.

Toe, hand, and wrist warmers gloves and ear muffs. It gets cold here in Arizona!

I thought you were talking about this Foggy dew that my grandfather fought in.

As a person with arthritic hands, I like it. I find my 1911 easier to shoot as no cocking is needed. I've already had one thumb's basal joint replaced with a tendon graft. Now the other thumb hurts. You've probably heard that WBAS is not CAS with a 1911. Shooting CAS with a 1911 is a different proposition. People with shoulder issues could easily shoot all pistol, no long guns. The part I wouldn't like is the brass picking. Instead of 10 rifle, it would also have 20 pistol to pick. As I rarely pick anymore, I would feel bad making others pick that much for me. I've shot with two people shooting CAS with 1911s, when I did pick. There is a lot of brass to find. It wouldn't be so bad with a line that is horizontal. Unfortunately, with a W3G layout, brass could be everywhere. At our local WBAS match we have a Muchos Federales stage with 60+ targets. Guns are shooters' choices. Some shooters use the 1911 instead of a rifle. Hence, shoulder issues can be avoided. Also, it may appeal to a younger audience. BTW, I too am on the "We need to advertise" bandwagon.

Ok, you guys have me convinced...I give in, LOL! I'm gving up on the welding cart. I was an Eagle Scout, and must be prepared!

DIE HARD! We enjoy watching the "classics" here as well. Chas

The electric cars that I've driven had a steady whine and rolled of the road reality easy......

Interesting fun fact. Bob Ross was a retired Air Force Master Sergeant and drill instructor.

So, I'm king of the woods! Kaya says last night that she is going to go out and sit after work. Would I like to go? You bet! Might get a shot at a coyote. Ok, so I'm KING OF THE WOODS! For three whole days..... That .243 is wicked! 213 pound 11 pointer......

I think if we limit ourselves in scope of search - we limit what we may find. I'm not sure changes "within" our game that only our current participants will notice will do anything to make us grow or bring in the next generation. That's why I don't believe moving the pistol targets out three yards further or doing the hokey pokey is the path to growth or that the cessation of same is the reason for our decline. I believe our future is digital. Networking, partnering and marketing. Exposure is the cure for most things. We need a strong YouTube presence. This presence needs to be done with a goal and direction to every piece of marketing placed upon it. A singular message about our game and invitation to participate. It's time that the Chronicle goes to video magazine format. This can be augmented and supported by linking to the myriad of independent channels - JediTV comes immediately to mind. We need a presence on other YouTube channels: Hickok 45, Yankee Marshal, etc. purport to be or to have been cowboy action shooters. They have millions of views and 1000's upon 1000's of subscribers - it's time to partner up or request their help. Wolf Bane is still appearing on TV regularly on various shooting shows. So we have a contact. SASS needs to step forward in cooperation with our firearms equipment manufacturers and importers to get cowboy action back on TV in some manner (a show, a segment or just Larry Potterfield talking about adjusting point of aim on a single action). We need a poster presence thru Scully, Ariat, Stetson, etc. in every Western wear and boot store in the US. Why is there not a single mention of cowboy action shooting in my local Boot Barn? They're selling the shirts to play the game - but not mentioning the game? If I purchase certain brands of firearm - I get literature to join the NRA. Am I getting the same pamphlet in every Ruger Vaquero, Henry, Uberti, Pietta, Stoeger, Rossi to join SASS? Isn't our survival in their best interest as well? Comic Con visitors and Video gamers are young and have disposable financials. A booth or exposure might do wonders. A pamphlet about SASS in Red Dead Redemption might gain a few eyes - especially in conjunction with a digital platform allowing immediate exposure online. If the six degrees of separation actually exists then many of us know folks in positions of power, influence or exposure. These folks may not have anything that directly connects to our game - but perhaps there are tangential connections that we might use to raise exposure? A spark in a rainstorm means little; but that same spark in a forest of dried timber can become a raging fire. We only need to see and pounce on the chance.